Shower Water Trap Problem - Anti Vac?


Postby haoconn » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:22 pm

Hi.

We have a holiday cottage that has 2 bedrooms with ensuite wet room style showers, wash basin & wc, and an open plan lounge and dining kitchen area.

Our problem is that when the wash basins or the sink in the kitchen drain water, they create a vacuum and suck the water out of the shower water traps. This allows foul smells back up into the shower.

A builder has told us that we need to separate completely our bedroom and kitchen basins from our showers that would involve a lot of new plumbing. Another plumber has suggested that if we install anti vac traps on the water basins that this might solve it.

I’d really welcome some advice as a novice in the plumbing world!

I attach two pictures that show the type of shower water traps that we have.

Anthony
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Postby xavi99 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:22 am

Anthony, a few thoughts;

Is it both basins that cause the trap to be pulled out?

Shower trap will be very shallow and difficult to replace /alter.

Anti vac traps to the whb's will only prevent the traps to those basins being pulled. Fitting an anti vac trap to the shower will stop this being pulled.

Can you fit an air admittance valve (aav) between the whb's and the shower at some point. This could be a small 50mm aav but when the whb's are drained, air will be drawn into the system through the aav rather than sucking the shower trap out.

hth,

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Postby haoconn » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:22 pm

Dear Xavi,

Mant thanks for your help on this one. So, do you mean that fitting anti-vac traps on the sinks won't stop the shower water traps being pulled? All that is on the pipe is 2 shower and basin traps, a kitchen basin & a dish washer. Also the smell we get only seems to impact one of the shower traps so I think only one of them is being pulled out completely.

Best regards, Anthony
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Postby xavi99 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:13 pm

Dear Anthony,

My understanding is that an anti vac trap only prevents to the trap being pulled on the trap that it is fitted to.

However, perhaps you could google anti vac trap, find a manufacturer and ask their tech dept. I've always found most manufacturers tech depts to be very helpful.

Good luck,

xavi
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Postby haoconn » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:42 pm

Dear Xavi,

Many thanks for your advice - I'll give an enquiry to a tech dept a go.

Best regards, Anthony
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Postby haoconn » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:10 am

Dear Xavi,

Just to say a big thank you for your advice. We have had 3 air admittance valves fitted and it has solved the problem. The water is no longer sucked out of the shower traps & hence there is no smell. Brilliant. Many thanks.

Best regards, Anthony
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Postby htg engineer » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:55 pm

I've just come across this post.

haoconn - thanks for coming back and informing us that this solved the problem, this will help others with similar issues.

You tend to get many asking for advice but they very rarely give feedback on if it worked, we can only assume it did and that's why they've never come back.
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