spacerspacerspacerspacerAdvertise Here
DIY Doctor
      Home   Contact   

WELCOME TO OUR LEVELLING FLOOR JOISTS PROJECT

To promote your business on this page, click here to find out more!

Summary: Levelling Floor Joists. Levelling old timber floors,repairing and replacing timber joists

Share and bookmark DIY Doctor

Visit our Blog - Click Here RSS news feed DIY Doctor RSS Feed  Email Bookmark and Share


INCLUDING:

Floors in older properties are very often out of level. Generally this is caused by a bowing of the floor joists which, very often, are not strong enough to fully support the weight placed on them. Over the years they bow and make life difficult when fitting new wardrobes or showers etc. 

Rather than attempt to lift the floor by "packing out" between the boards and the joist ( the packing invariably works loose as the floor moves with use) it is easier, and more cost effective in the long run, to remove the floor boards and level the joists by fixing new, straight ones, to the existing. It is also possible to repair and replace sections of joists, in situ, without disturbing the entire floor. 

Leveling a joist:

Bowed Floor Joist

If, as shown above right, the brickwork itself is loose, damp and crumbling, then check the joist for wet and dry rot.

New, sawn timbers can be bought from your local builders or timber merchants. Each new joist should be checked by laying it on a level surface, on its narrow edge, before purchasing. There is little point replacing bowed timbers, with bowed timbers!

The existing bow may be the result of a weak timber, in which case simply fixing a new, straight one to the side will be effective. The new timber should be taken the full length of the old joist even if there is only a slight bow in the middle. Remember the old joist bowed because it is too weak, you must therefore give it as much strength as possible.

If the bow, or slope, is due to the base of a joist support (brickwork or timber) having crumbled away over time, then this fault must be addressed before a satisfactory repair can be effected. Old, crumbling bricks should be replaced, or jointed properly wherever possible. If it is the end of the timber that has crumbled, this will have happened for a reason. Look for signs of damp in the wall, and rot in the timbers. Get to the cause of these defects first and eradicate them.

If the existing joists offer little in the way of support, there is no point using them to support the new joists. You local builders merchants can supply "joist hangers", the correct size for your new joists. These are galvanised metal brackets, into which you slot a joist. They have a strong lip, which is then inserted into a brickwork joint, or fixed on a timber or steel support.

To level the entire floor, it is best to start with the two end joists. Then a string line can be fixed to the top of these two, new joists, giving you the level for the joists in between. The string line would be fixed in position x in the diagram below.

There is always the possibility, in older properties, that your floor joists have dropped at one end because the timber has become rotten and compressed. Thanks to some incredible, yet simple technology it is now possible to replace sections of joists and rafters, in situ. Take a look at the images below to see how this works.

Timber Repair   

Laying floor boards:

There are very few "square" rooms. The diagram below represents a typical room, within which the dotted lines represent a square section of the room. 1 & 2 are the walls of the room while A,B,C etc are the floorboards. D and G are the probable shape of cuts you will need to make.

Once your joists are in place and level as described above, floor boards can be fixed. It is important that the boards run at right angles to the joists regardless of the shape of the room and the first thing to do is set out the room so that you will get the first board down in the correct position. Using the 3,4,5 method of obtaining a right angle, which is fully explained in our Tips and Tricks pages, starting a project you will be able to mark a line across the new joists running between the points marked x on the diagram. We suggest a chalk line for this.
See Using a chalk line:

It is also important that you work out the width of the room compared to the number of floorboards it will take to cover it. Measure carefully, or even use an offcut of board, marking the position of boards on a joist. This is to make sure you have a sensible cut at each end and not a full board at one end and a ½ inch cut at the other. Additional "trimming joists" may have to be inserted around fireplaces, chimneys etc to make sure the end of each board is well supported.

Lay your first board through the room, next to board A. Then, measuring carefully, mark and lay boards A, B, & C. Do not fix these last three boards. Laying the last boards, D and G against the walls 1 and 2, is a difficult job and can only be done properly if two or three boards, including the cuts, are pushed together and laid as one.

Work across the room fixing each board by your preferred method, until you get to board F. Then lay F, E and D, together with the cut G, in one go.

Floor Joist Plan

Cutting shapes:

Cuts D and G can be effected by, having laid A, B, C and D, E, F in position, unfixed, laying a full board against the walls 1 and 2, and marking the other side of the board onto boards C and D. This will give you the exact shape and size of the cut. Remove the marked boards, C and D and cut out the shape you have marked on them. Two new boards will be needed to replace them, while the cuts you have made are inserted at the same time. Remember to make allowance for the tongue on each board when you mark.

Cutting a Floor Board

Using a chalk line:

The chalk line would be held on points x either by a bent nail at one end, with you at the other, or get the help of a friend. Pull the line tight, and then lift it and let it go. The "ping" of the chalk line will leave a mark across the top of the joists. Our demonstration photos below shows a standard chalk line, the chalk refill pot and how to "ping" a line. A very useful, inexpensive tool. Click on the images below to buy.

Chalk Line Chalk Line

You might want to take a look at our video section on "using a spirit level" to watch a film on how to use this essential tool.





Much more construction information is available in our bookstore. All the tools and fittings you need in the toolstore.





Forums





Are you a tradesman ? Get your very own webpage with ProblemSolved all for FREE - Click here



Share and bookmark DIY Doctor

Link to DIY Doctor - Click Here RSS news feed DIY Doctor RSS Feed  Email Bookmark and Share


Flooring and Floor Coverings
Post new topic
 Topics   Replies   Author   Views   Last Post 
No new posts Removing a hearth
0 Jillyno1 12  
Jillyno1 View latest post
No new posts Which laminate flooring
0 teesside 65  
teesside View latest post
No new posts New floor below DPC what do I do with membrane?
0 Doingmybe 86  
Doingmybe View latest post
No new posts New bathroom floor tiles have become discoloured
0 Gordonali 75  
Gordonali View latest post
No new posts Untreated wooden floorin - pros and cons
0 rabbit 123  
rabbit View latest post
No new posts Looking for karndean flooring course, Lancashire
1 Joiner_Mi 122  
rosebery View latest post
No new posts Laminating around hearth
3 matthill7 250  
rosebery View latest post
No new posts Bathroom Flooring - Tiles or Amtico
1 Colin1 257  
rosebery View latest post
No new posts Nails or Screws
2 dma 177  
rosebery View latest post
No new posts sanding a very small room
0 Gardencit 231  
Gardencit View latest post
No new posts Wood Border
0 CarlnSam 193  
CarlnSam View latest post
No new posts Carpet tiles on walls and ceiling
1 modfather 359  
stoneyboy View latest post
No new posts What to seal chipboard flooring with to protect against dirt
0 clc.sheff 389  
clc.sheff View latest post
No new posts Laying carpet tiles on wooden floor HELP
5 desperado 729  
rabbit View latest post
No new posts how to remove pva glue from laminate floor
1 lon101 469  
Dan the m View latest post
No new posts Levelling concrete sub floor for laminate
2 SWally 867  
SWally View latest post
No new posts How to lay vinyl floor tiles
1 DevonSpee 633  
stoneyboy View latest post
No new posts Gaps between floor boards
3 duncansha 2824  
Tall Tone View latest post
No new posts Laminate flooring tutorial
3 john9159 2496  
SWally View latest post
No new posts Flooring retailers in the UK
0 home& 245  
home& View latest post
No new posts Wood floor on Concrete Subfloor
0 sc100 792  
sc100 View latest post
No new posts Laying laminate flooring
1 jerryj 740  
Neil77 View latest post
No new posts Flagstone Flooring
0 Penalltie 401  
Penalltie View latest post
No new posts Carpet cleaning...
0 Adwer 415  
Adwer View latest post
No new posts levelling
0 brickyboy 902  
brickyboy View latest post
No new posts Kitchen Stone Flag Floor
0 bowker 557  
bowker View latest post
No new posts Tiles over concrete
0 Danc 1102  
Danc View latest post
No new posts Laminate floor over heated tile
0 Danc 478  
Danc View latest post
No new posts Vinyl over heated tiles?
0 jezb 346  
jezb View latest post
No new posts Screed Problems
0 Bolty 954  
Bolty View latest post
No new posts laminate flooring
1 magoo 772  
stoneyboy View latest post
No new posts fitting laminate around a fireplace
2 magoo 980  
mr_vampy View latest post
No new posts HELP BIG AIR BUBBLE IN THE MIDDLE OF LAMINATE FLOORING
2 mrsboop 1032  
mrsboop View latest post
No new posts Tyle glue getting rid of ?
0 Auntie 495  
Auntie View latest post
No new posts floor tiling
0 odman 679  
odman View latest post
No new posts 4 sided tounge and groove between joists
0 mor22 656  
mor22 View latest post
No new posts Woodworm treatment questions
2 apcl73 717  
apcl73 View latest post
No new posts restoring parquet flooring
1 hobbis 826  
stoneyboy View latest post
No new posts 18mm Oak Flooring
0 ads123 842  
ads123 View latest post
No new posts Importing Floors
0 floorfitt 320  
floorfitt View latest post
No new posts Ceramic tiling over vinyl tiles?
3 tcwh1971 988  
stoneyboy View latest post
No new posts Parawood Flooring Excessive Flexing
0 GoodGos 810  
GoodGos View latest post
No new posts fungus growing under laminate floor
1 egrobier 858  
stoneyboy View latest post
No new posts Any building regulations for subfloor leveness?
0 metamood 680  
metamood View latest post
No new posts Insulation under screeded floor
0 stevec118 1023  
stevec118 View latest post
No new posts Is an expansion gap in concrete needed?
0 CherylB 936  
CherylB View latest post
No new posts laying tongue and groove on concrete
0 spikejack 1186  
spikejack View latest post
No new posts Boarding over floorboards good idea or not?
0 Ribbo 1619  
Ribbo View latest post
No new posts Lacklustre Slate Tiles
1 stace 628  
stoneyboy View latest post
No new posts Replacing baseplates on sleeper walls and joists
0 Ran Kamat 820  
Ran Kamat View latest post
Display topics from previous:  
Post new topic     -> Flooring and Floor Coverings
Jump to:  
     
     
  

Search Diy Doctor

Related projects
#



© Copyright Diydoctor Ltd 2009  Developed by Boson Media  Hosted by Rackspace