Help Replacing a Ceiling Rose With a LED Bar Light


Postby andgeorge » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:52 pm

Hi All,

Electrics are all off. I took off the casing from the ceiling rose which left me with 4 red wires, 2 blacks and 3 Earths (that are all tied together.)

Pretty Similar to this diagram: Image

I am trying to replace this will a LED spotlight, which has 3 connector blocks. Live on the left, earth in the middle and blue on the right

In the switch in this room is two red wires (no earth) plastic casing.

Using the numbers on the diagram above, would anybody be able to advise how I should be wiring this?
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Postby Mr White » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:38 pm

What you have is a normal ceiling rose.
It's cables will never fit your new light, that is why you are having problems.
You have 2 options

1) Take the current lamp holder off and change the flex to a 3 core flex and connect this to your light. (leaving the ceiling rose as it is)

2) Use wago connectors and connect them as shown on the drawing and push them up into the roof space..........and then change the flex to a twin and earth cable and connect this to your light.
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Postby andgeorge » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:48 am

Mr White wrote:What you have is a normal ceiling rose.
It's cables will never fit your new light, that is why you are having problems.
You have 2 options

1) Take the current lamp holder off and change the flex to a 3 core flex and connect this to your light. (leaving the ceiling rose as it is)

2) Use wago connectors and connect them as shown on the drawing and push them up into the roof space..........and then change the flex to a twin and earth cable and connect this to your light.


I have replaced the ceiling rose wiring with a bar spotlight like this before: Image

I just took it off and for the life of me, cannot remember to how to wire it back up.
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Postby andgeorge » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:16 pm

I have had the spotlight working before. Note this is a 4-lights-on-a-bar spotlight.

I just forgot the order of the wiring.
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Postby Mr White » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:48 pm

I was replying to the fact that you said you were changing to a ceiling rose to a LED bar light, which you are clearly now not doing.

You should connect your new light as shown in the drawing you posted.

Your new light will only have 3 terminals, you still need to keep the cables as they are / in the drawing, so you will still need wago connectors / choc bloc

Using the drawing as a guide you connect your new light to 2, 8 and 9 respectively
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Postby ericmark » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:48 pm

The Ashley J501 16 Amp Downlighter Junction Box is likely the easy method, it allows you to replace the ceiling rose with a junction box with cable grips.
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