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Postby rolly » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:27 pm

I am after a bit a clarification regarding addtional sockets.

A few months ago my brother and I added a double socket in my lounge (to go behind a wall mounted plasma). The socket is a fused spur off of a double socket a few feet away.

My brohter is an electrician, but he installs fire alarms, he doesn't usually do domestic installations. So he can't give me any certificate

I think this doesn't fall into the Part P notifiable catergory, do I need any certificate such as minor works certifate.

I am selling my house at the moment, do I need to get the paper work.
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Postby kbrownie » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:53 pm

your right to ask this question!
A lot of people think because it is not notifiable work, that it can be done by anyone, which unfortunately this is true.
But it's also true that most electrical work within the home can be done by non qualified persons.
But then the problems start the reports and form filling which need a knowledged of inspection and testing and the use of calabrated testing devices and the expected result.

The work your brother has done, does not come under part p notification but does need an MWC(minor works certs) as it does not extend to the provisions of a new circuit but is an addition to an existing one.
With your brother installing fire alarms he may have some of the test equipment needed to do the required tests and fill in the report. but does he have the required knowleged to do this?
Test would be
Earth continuity
Insulation Resistance
Earth Fault Loop Impedance
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Postby rolly » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:39 pm

How do I get a minor works cert?

Will a local registered electrictain happily come around test the sockets and provide a cert? I have read that they won't if they didn't perform the work.
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Postby kbrownie » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:41 pm

If your selling the house, might be worth having a PIR(periodic inspection report) done, some estate agent and potential buyers insist on this.
This will assure your installation is healthy.
Some electricians won't sign off work they have not performed and within the requirements of BS7671, they state that an electrician should not, but some will do this, if they are willing to take the responsability of that circuit on.
Like I've said before your brother can do this if he has the kit and knowledge, after all his made the addition so is responsible.
I know that may not help.
Most electrician will do PIRs though.
Ask around and find out.
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Postby sparx » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:22 pm

Rolly, if your brother is an electrician who installs alarms as well, he can copy a minor works cert from regs book and fill it in for you, if he only installs alarms who fits the mains power to panel for him? maybe he can do it for you,
It is also possible to buy a pack of certs (10) which are NCR copied so there is a duplicate for record purposes.
On the other hand it may be if attempting to sell, the potential purchasers solicitor/agent will request a full 'periodic Inspection Report' of whole house so this would be included, so no need to do it twice!!
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Postby moggy1968 » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:02 pm

[you can also download the forms from the net.
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